Four years ago we were attacked. Have you Forgoten? A lot of people have.
Here are a couple of things to remind you
http://www.jimlynch.com/911/america-attacked3.html
Sunday, September 11, 2005
9/11 Four Years and Counting
Four years ago we were attacked. Have you Forgoten? A lot of people have.
Sunday, September 04, 2005
Here is a very nice story by Ann Rice it ran in the NYT
September 4, 2005
Do You Know What It Means to Lose New Orleans?
By ANNE RICE
La Jolla, Calif.
WHAT do people really know about New Orleans?
Do they take away with them an awareness that it has always been not only a great white metropolis but also a great black city, a city where African-Americans have come together again and again to form the strongest African-American culture in the land?
The first literary magazine ever published in Louisiana was the work of black men, French-speaking poets and writers who brought together their work in three issues of a little book called L'Album Littéraire. That was in the 1840's, and by that time the city had a prosperous class of free black artisans, sculptors, businessmen, property owners, skilled laborers in all fields. Thousands of slaves lived on their own in the city, too, making a living at various jobs, and sending home a few dollars to their owners in the country at the end of the month.
This is not to diminish the horror of the slave market in the middle of the famous St. Louis Hotel, or the injustice of the slave labor on plantations from one end of the state to the other. It is merely to say that it was never all "have or have not" in this strange and beautiful city.
Later in the 19th century, as the Irish immigrants poured in by the thousands, filling the holds of ships that had emptied their cargoes of cotton in Liverpool, and as the German and Italian immigrants soon followed, a vital and complex culture emerged. Huge churches went up to serve the great faith of the city's European-born Catholics; convents and schools and orphanages were built for the newly arrived and the struggling; the city expanded in all directions with new neighborhoods of large, graceful houses, or areas of more humble cottages, even the smallest of which, with their floor-length shutters and deep-pitched roofs, possessed an undeniable Caribbean charm.
Through this all, black culture never declined in Louisiana. In fact, New Orleans became home to blacks in a way, perhaps, that few other American cities have ever been. Dillard University and Xavier University became two of the most outstanding black colleges in America; and once the battles of desegregation had been won, black New Orleanians entered all levels of life, building a visible middle class that is absent in far too many Western and Northern American cities to this day.
The influence of blacks on the music of the city and the nation is too immense and too well known to be described. It was black musicians coming down to New Orleans for work who nicknamed the city "the Big Easy" because it was a place where they could always find a job. But it's not fair to the nature of New Orleans to think of jazz and the blues as the poor man's music, or the music of the oppressed.
Something else was going on in New Orleans. The living was good there. The clock ticked more slowly; people laughed more easily; people kissed; people loved; there was joy.
Which is why so many New Orleanians, black and white, never went north. They didn't want to leave a place where they felt at home in neighborhoods that dated back centuries; they didn't want to leave families whose rounds of weddings, births and funerals had become the fabric of their lives. They didn't want to leave a city where tolerance had always been able to outweigh prejudice, where patience had always been able to outweigh rage. They didn't want to leave a place that was theirs.
And so New Orleans prospered, slowly, unevenly, but surely - home to Protestants and Catholics, including the Irish parading through the old neighborhood on St. Patrick's Day as they hand out cabbages and potatoes and onions to the eager crowds; including the Italians, with their lavish St. Joseph's altars spread out with cakes and cookies in homes and restaurants and churches every March; including the uptown traditionalists who seek to preserve the peace and beauty of the Garden District; including the Germans with their clubs and traditions; including the black population playing an ever increasing role in the city's civic affairs.
Now nature has done what the Civil War couldn't do. Nature has done what the labor riots of the 1920's couldn't do. Nature had done what "modern life" with its relentless pursuit of efficiency couldn't do. It has done what racism couldn't do, and what segregation couldn't do either. Nature has laid the city waste - with a scope that brings to mind the end of Pompeii. •
I share this history for a reason - and to answer questions that have arisen these last few days. Almost as soon as the cameras began panning over the rooftops, and the helicopters began chopping free those trapped in their attics, a chorus of voices rose. "Why didn't they leave?" people asked both on and off camera. "Why did they stay there when they knew a storm was coming?" One reporter even asked me, "Why do people live in such a place?"
Then as conditions became unbearable, the looters took to the streets. Windows were smashed, jewelry snatched, stores broken open, water and food and televisions carried out by fierce and uninhibited crowds.
Now the voices grew even louder. How could these thieves loot and pillage in a time of such crisis? How could people shoot one another? Because the faces of those drowning and the faces of those looting were largely black faces, race came into the picture. What kind of people are these, the people of New Orleans, who stay in a city about to be flooded, and then turn on one another?
Well, here's an answer. Thousands didn't leave New Orleans because they couldn't leave. They didn't have the money. They didn't have the vehicles. They didn't have any place to go. They are the poor, black and white, who dwell in any city in great numbers; and they did what they felt they could do - they huddled together in the strongest houses they could find. There was no way to up and leave and check into the nearest Ramada Inn.
What's more, thousands more who could have left stayed behind to help others. They went out in the helicopters and pulled the survivors off rooftops; they went through the flooded streets in their boats trying to gather those they could find. Meanwhile, city officials tried desperately to alleviate the worsening conditions in the Superdome, while makeshift shelters and hotels and hospitals struggled.
And where was everyone else during all this? Oh, help is coming, New Orleans was told. We are a rich country. Congress is acting. Someone will come to stop the looting and care for the refugees.
And it's true: eventually, help did come. But how many times did Gov. Kathleen Blanco have to say that the situation was desperate? How many times did Mayor Ray Nagin have to call for aid? Why did America ask a city cherished by millions and excoriated by some, but ignored by no one, to fight for its own life for so long? That's my question.
I know that New Orleans will win its fight in the end. I was born in the city and lived there for many years. It shaped who and what I am. Never have I experienced a place where people knew more about love, about family, about loyalty and about getting along than the people of New Orleans. It is perhaps their very gentleness that gives them their endurance.
They will rebuild as they have after storms of the past; and they will stay in New Orleans because it is where they have always lived, where their mothers and their fathers lived, where their churches were built by their ancestors, where their family graves carry names that go back 200 years. They will stay in New Orleans where they can enjoy a sweetness of family life that other communities lost long ago.
But to my country I want to say this: During this crisis you failed us. You looked down on us; you dismissed our victims; you dismissed us. You want our Jazz Fest, you want our Mardi Gras, you want our cooking and our music. Then when you saw us in real trouble, when you saw a tiny minority preying on the weak among us, you called us "Sin City," and turned your backs.
Well, we are a lot more than all that. And though we may seem the most exotic, the most atmospheric and, at times, the most downtrodden part of this land, we are still part of it. We are Americans. We are you.
Anne Rice is the author of the forthcoming novel "Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt." Miss Rice is also the auther of "Interview with a Vampire" and many other fine books.
Do You Know What It Means to Lose New Orleans?
By ANNE RICE
La Jolla, Calif.
WHAT do people really know about New Orleans?
Do they take away with them an awareness that it has always been not only a great white metropolis but also a great black city, a city where African-Americans have come together again and again to form the strongest African-American culture in the land?
The first literary magazine ever published in Louisiana was the work of black men, French-speaking poets and writers who brought together their work in three issues of a little book called L'Album Littéraire. That was in the 1840's, and by that time the city had a prosperous class of free black artisans, sculptors, businessmen, property owners, skilled laborers in all fields. Thousands of slaves lived on their own in the city, too, making a living at various jobs, and sending home a few dollars to their owners in the country at the end of the month.
This is not to diminish the horror of the slave market in the middle of the famous St. Louis Hotel, or the injustice of the slave labor on plantations from one end of the state to the other. It is merely to say that it was never all "have or have not" in this strange and beautiful city.
Later in the 19th century, as the Irish immigrants poured in by the thousands, filling the holds of ships that had emptied their cargoes of cotton in Liverpool, and as the German and Italian immigrants soon followed, a vital and complex culture emerged. Huge churches went up to serve the great faith of the city's European-born Catholics; convents and schools and orphanages were built for the newly arrived and the struggling; the city expanded in all directions with new neighborhoods of large, graceful houses, or areas of more humble cottages, even the smallest of which, with their floor-length shutters and deep-pitched roofs, possessed an undeniable Caribbean charm.
Through this all, black culture never declined in Louisiana. In fact, New Orleans became home to blacks in a way, perhaps, that few other American cities have ever been. Dillard University and Xavier University became two of the most outstanding black colleges in America; and once the battles of desegregation had been won, black New Orleanians entered all levels of life, building a visible middle class that is absent in far too many Western and Northern American cities to this day.
The influence of blacks on the music of the city and the nation is too immense and too well known to be described. It was black musicians coming down to New Orleans for work who nicknamed the city "the Big Easy" because it was a place where they could always find a job. But it's not fair to the nature of New Orleans to think of jazz and the blues as the poor man's music, or the music of the oppressed.
Something else was going on in New Orleans. The living was good there. The clock ticked more slowly; people laughed more easily; people kissed; people loved; there was joy.
Which is why so many New Orleanians, black and white, never went north. They didn't want to leave a place where they felt at home in neighborhoods that dated back centuries; they didn't want to leave families whose rounds of weddings, births and funerals had become the fabric of their lives. They didn't want to leave a city where tolerance had always been able to outweigh prejudice, where patience had always been able to outweigh rage. They didn't want to leave a place that was theirs.
And so New Orleans prospered, slowly, unevenly, but surely - home to Protestants and Catholics, including the Irish parading through the old neighborhood on St. Patrick's Day as they hand out cabbages and potatoes and onions to the eager crowds; including the Italians, with their lavish St. Joseph's altars spread out with cakes and cookies in homes and restaurants and churches every March; including the uptown traditionalists who seek to preserve the peace and beauty of the Garden District; including the Germans with their clubs and traditions; including the black population playing an ever increasing role in the city's civic affairs.
Now nature has done what the Civil War couldn't do. Nature has done what the labor riots of the 1920's couldn't do. Nature had done what "modern life" with its relentless pursuit of efficiency couldn't do. It has done what racism couldn't do, and what segregation couldn't do either. Nature has laid the city waste - with a scope that brings to mind the end of Pompeii. •
I share this history for a reason - and to answer questions that have arisen these last few days. Almost as soon as the cameras began panning over the rooftops, and the helicopters began chopping free those trapped in their attics, a chorus of voices rose. "Why didn't they leave?" people asked both on and off camera. "Why did they stay there when they knew a storm was coming?" One reporter even asked me, "Why do people live in such a place?"
Then as conditions became unbearable, the looters took to the streets. Windows were smashed, jewelry snatched, stores broken open, water and food and televisions carried out by fierce and uninhibited crowds.
Now the voices grew even louder. How could these thieves loot and pillage in a time of such crisis? How could people shoot one another? Because the faces of those drowning and the faces of those looting were largely black faces, race came into the picture. What kind of people are these, the people of New Orleans, who stay in a city about to be flooded, and then turn on one another?
Well, here's an answer. Thousands didn't leave New Orleans because they couldn't leave. They didn't have the money. They didn't have the vehicles. They didn't have any place to go. They are the poor, black and white, who dwell in any city in great numbers; and they did what they felt they could do - they huddled together in the strongest houses they could find. There was no way to up and leave and check into the nearest Ramada Inn.
What's more, thousands more who could have left stayed behind to help others. They went out in the helicopters and pulled the survivors off rooftops; they went through the flooded streets in their boats trying to gather those they could find. Meanwhile, city officials tried desperately to alleviate the worsening conditions in the Superdome, while makeshift shelters and hotels and hospitals struggled.
And where was everyone else during all this? Oh, help is coming, New Orleans was told. We are a rich country. Congress is acting. Someone will come to stop the looting and care for the refugees.
And it's true: eventually, help did come. But how many times did Gov. Kathleen Blanco have to say that the situation was desperate? How many times did Mayor Ray Nagin have to call for aid? Why did America ask a city cherished by millions and excoriated by some, but ignored by no one, to fight for its own life for so long? That's my question.
I know that New Orleans will win its fight in the end. I was born in the city and lived there for many years. It shaped who and what I am. Never have I experienced a place where people knew more about love, about family, about loyalty and about getting along than the people of New Orleans. It is perhaps their very gentleness that gives them their endurance.
They will rebuild as they have after storms of the past; and they will stay in New Orleans because it is where they have always lived, where their mothers and their fathers lived, where their churches were built by their ancestors, where their family graves carry names that go back 200 years. They will stay in New Orleans where they can enjoy a sweetness of family life that other communities lost long ago.
But to my country I want to say this: During this crisis you failed us. You looked down on us; you dismissed our victims; you dismissed us. You want our Jazz Fest, you want our Mardi Gras, you want our cooking and our music. Then when you saw us in real trouble, when you saw a tiny minority preying on the weak among us, you called us "Sin City," and turned your backs.
Well, we are a lot more than all that. And though we may seem the most exotic, the most atmospheric and, at times, the most downtrodden part of this land, we are still part of it. We are Americans. We are you.
Anne Rice is the author of the forthcoming novel "Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt." Miss Rice is also the auther of "Interview with a Vampire" and many other fine books.
Second one From Horrowitz Blog
Katrina fest: Time for the Bush-haters and racists
Huffington Post has them all -- the blame anything and everything on Bush crowd, the bash the corporations crew and the race hustlers who blame everything on whitey. Without doubt the most sickening among them is the expatriate Randall Robinson who scorned and then left the country that made him wealthy to settle in Carribean luxury and now returns via the Internet to attack the white people he first tried to extort through phony reparations and then left behind in disgust. "Four days after the storm thousands of blacks are dying in New Orleans. No one has come to help them...I am hopeless, I am sad. I am angry against my country..." This is already three lies: First, whites and blacks are both suffering. Second, whites and blacks are coming to help them. Third, Randall Robinson left his native country more than a year ago, announcing that he despised it and went into self-imposed exile. Now he returns to befoul the nest that is no longer his.
This is a natural disaster. Human stupidity -- always the greatest unremarked factor in human affairs -- has played a big if not surprising role in the tragedy. Take one look at the hundreds of New Orleans school buses that were not used to transport people out of harm's way, but left to drown in the flood. Who is responsible? Democrat mayors and governors, Republican Fema and Homeland Security officials, law enforcement agencies, the President -- who knows? There is enough blame to go around, but who was shouting from the rooftops that this was going to happen in the first place? Let them be the ones to speak. Instead the political maggots and vultures, the Huffington know-nothings whose gums never stop flapping and whose fangs are always bared have come out to feed off the corpses in order to promote their pet causes. Blame Bush, blame the oil companies, blame the war on terror which they hate because of their sympathies for an enemy that also blames Bush, blames the oil companies and blames the war on terror.
Huffington Post has them all -- the blame anything and everything on Bush crowd, the bash the corporations crew and the race hustlers who blame everything on whitey. Without doubt the most sickening among them is the expatriate Randall Robinson who scorned and then left the country that made him wealthy to settle in Carribean luxury and now returns via the Internet to attack the white people he first tried to extort through phony reparations and then left behind in disgust. "Four days after the storm thousands of blacks are dying in New Orleans. No one has come to help them...I am hopeless, I am sad. I am angry against my country..." This is already three lies: First, whites and blacks are both suffering. Second, whites and blacks are coming to help them. Third, Randall Robinson left his native country more than a year ago, announcing that he despised it and went into self-imposed exile. Now he returns to befoul the nest that is no longer his.
This is a natural disaster. Human stupidity -- always the greatest unremarked factor in human affairs -- has played a big if not surprising role in the tragedy. Take one look at the hundreds of New Orleans school buses that were not used to transport people out of harm's way, but left to drown in the flood. Who is responsible? Democrat mayors and governors, Republican Fema and Homeland Security officials, law enforcement agencies, the President -- who knows? There is enough blame to go around, but who was shouting from the rooftops that this was going to happen in the first place? Let them be the ones to speak. Instead the political maggots and vultures, the Huffington know-nothings whose gums never stop flapping and whose fangs are always bared have come out to feed off the corpses in order to promote their pet causes. Blame Bush, blame the oil companies, blame the war on terror which they hate because of their sympathies for an enemy that also blames Bush, blames the oil companies and blames the war on terror.
Another Good Post From Horrowitz
Is Katrina Racist?
By JAMES TARANTO, WSJONLINE.COM
Al Sharpton showed up on Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" on MSNBC last night, and the pair sounded a theme that's becoming depressingly familiar in the effort to demagogue hurricane Katrina:
Olbermann: I actually heard a commentator this afternoon--it was that Limbaugh--suggest that the issue of class and race in those who were left behind in New Orleans was irrelevant, because, as he put it, those people were not forced to live there and they weren't bused into New Orleans.
And I was thinking, A, this guy is even more clueless than I thought he was, which is saying something. But, B, there are people who actually believe that. How do you respond to them? How do you explain to them what the truth is? . . .
Sharpton: . . . The real question is not only those that didn't get out. The question is why has it taken the government so long to get in. I feel that, if it was in another area, with another economic strata and racial makeup, that President Bush would have run out of Crawford a lot quicker and FEMA would have found its way in a lot sooner.
In truth, Katrina's devastation was spread out over a huge area, not just the city of New Orleans with its majority-black population. The Associated Press quotes Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who lists four suburban parishes that, along with Orleans Parish (which is coterminous with New Orleans) were hit hard enough to need "long-term rebuilding."
Here are the 2000 census's racial breakdowns of the populations of those five Louisiana parishes, along with Mississippi's coastal counties, which suffered a direct hit:
Parish or county
White
Black
Jefferson, La.
69.8%
22.9%
Orleans, La.
28.1%
67.3%
Plaquemines, La.
69.8%
23.4%
St. Bernard, La.
88.3%
7.6%
St. Tammany, La.
87.0%
9.9%
Hancock, Miss.
90.2%
6.8%
Harrison, Miss.
73.1%
21.1%
Jackson, Miss.
75.4%
20.9%
The New York Times notes that among those who lost homes in Mississippi were Rep. Gene Taylor, a Democrat, and Sen. Trent Lott, a Republican--both persons of pallor and neither one of whom can be called downtrodden. Rep. Bobby Jindal, a Republican from Kenner, La. (in Jefferson Parish), doesn't even know if his house is still standing. "Jefferson Parish as we knew it is gone forever," Reuters quotes parish president Aaron Broussard as saying.
Though Katrina is an equal-opportunity destroyer, the news media's coverage of the disaster has centered on the city of New Orleans--which is understandable, given that that is the center of the metropolis, that it is densely populated, and that it is 80% underwater. That means the faces of the suffering that we have seen have mostly been black ones. And so what? These are fellow human beings and fellow Americans; the color of their skin makes their misery no more or less heartbreaking, and their rescue no more or less urgent.
Yet two days ago, Jack Shafer of Slate complained that journalists were ignoring race: "In the their frenzy to beat freshness into the endless loops of disaster footage that have been running all day, broadcasters might have mentioned that nearly all the visible people left behind in New Orleans are of the black persuasion." Soon enough, CNN picked up the theme, followed today by the New York Times and USA Today.
This emphasis on race makes us very uneasy, and the opening paragraph of that USA Today editorial illustrates why:
Although TV correspondents covering Hurricane Katrina avoid commenting on the obvious, their cameras hold back nothing. The people who couldn't or wouldn't leave New Orleans are overwhelmingly poor and black. As are the looters.
Now, there are looters and there are looters. Many commentators have observed that stealing the necessities of life when there is no alternative is forgivable, even justifiable. But the same can't be said for using a disaster as an opportunity to filch luxury goods.
There also are reports of criminality that goes far beyond theft. "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass tells the Associated Press. The Voice of America tells of "roving gangs of armed delinquents who are sometimes interfering with the relief operations." In one case, across the Mississippi in Gretna, "Tenet Healthcare Corp. asked Louisiana state police to help evacuate Meadowcrest Hospital after armed bandits attempted to hijack a truck carrying food, water and drugs in the predawn hours on Thursday," the Chicago Tribune reports.
Avarice and depravity are human failings, but our race-obsessed liberal friends may be contributing to the notion that they are racial ones.
By JAMES TARANTO, WSJONLINE.COM
Al Sharpton showed up on Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" on MSNBC last night, and the pair sounded a theme that's becoming depressingly familiar in the effort to demagogue hurricane Katrina:
Olbermann: I actually heard a commentator this afternoon--it was that Limbaugh--suggest that the issue of class and race in those who were left behind in New Orleans was irrelevant, because, as he put it, those people were not forced to live there and they weren't bused into New Orleans.
And I was thinking, A, this guy is even more clueless than I thought he was, which is saying something. But, B, there are people who actually believe that. How do you respond to them? How do you explain to them what the truth is? . . .
Sharpton: . . . The real question is not only those that didn't get out. The question is why has it taken the government so long to get in. I feel that, if it was in another area, with another economic strata and racial makeup, that President Bush would have run out of Crawford a lot quicker and FEMA would have found its way in a lot sooner.
In truth, Katrina's devastation was spread out over a huge area, not just the city of New Orleans with its majority-black population. The Associated Press quotes Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who lists four suburban parishes that, along with Orleans Parish (which is coterminous with New Orleans) were hit hard enough to need "long-term rebuilding."
Here are the 2000 census's racial breakdowns of the populations of those five Louisiana parishes, along with Mississippi's coastal counties, which suffered a direct hit:
Parish or county
White
Black
Jefferson, La.
69.8%
22.9%
Orleans, La.
28.1%
67.3%
Plaquemines, La.
69.8%
23.4%
St. Bernard, La.
88.3%
7.6%
St. Tammany, La.
87.0%
9.9%
Hancock, Miss.
90.2%
6.8%
Harrison, Miss.
73.1%
21.1%
Jackson, Miss.
75.4%
20.9%
The New York Times notes that among those who lost homes in Mississippi were Rep. Gene Taylor, a Democrat, and Sen. Trent Lott, a Republican--both persons of pallor and neither one of whom can be called downtrodden. Rep. Bobby Jindal, a Republican from Kenner, La. (in Jefferson Parish), doesn't even know if his house is still standing. "Jefferson Parish as we knew it is gone forever," Reuters quotes parish president Aaron Broussard as saying.
Though Katrina is an equal-opportunity destroyer, the news media's coverage of the disaster has centered on the city of New Orleans--which is understandable, given that that is the center of the metropolis, that it is densely populated, and that it is 80% underwater. That means the faces of the suffering that we have seen have mostly been black ones. And so what? These are fellow human beings and fellow Americans; the color of their skin makes their misery no more or less heartbreaking, and their rescue no more or less urgent.
Yet two days ago, Jack Shafer of Slate complained that journalists were ignoring race: "In the their frenzy to beat freshness into the endless loops of disaster footage that have been running all day, broadcasters might have mentioned that nearly all the visible people left behind in New Orleans are of the black persuasion." Soon enough, CNN picked up the theme, followed today by the New York Times and USA Today.
This emphasis on race makes us very uneasy, and the opening paragraph of that USA Today editorial illustrates why:
Although TV correspondents covering Hurricane Katrina avoid commenting on the obvious, their cameras hold back nothing. The people who couldn't or wouldn't leave New Orleans are overwhelmingly poor and black. As are the looters.
Now, there are looters and there are looters. Many commentators have observed that stealing the necessities of life when there is no alternative is forgivable, even justifiable. But the same can't be said for using a disaster as an opportunity to filch luxury goods.
There also are reports of criminality that goes far beyond theft. "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass tells the Associated Press. The Voice of America tells of "roving gangs of armed delinquents who are sometimes interfering with the relief operations." In one case, across the Mississippi in Gretna, "Tenet Healthcare Corp. asked Louisiana state police to help evacuate Meadowcrest Hospital after armed bandits attempted to hijack a truck carrying food, water and drugs in the predawn hours on Thursday," the Chicago Tribune reports.
Avarice and depravity are human failings, but our race-obsessed liberal friends may be contributing to the notion that they are racial ones.
I HAVE BEEN BLACKLISTED AT THE ALL SPIN ZONE
I have been BLACKLISTED by the free speach loving lefty at The All Spin Zone. Due to a challeng of facts that I brought up on the ASZ I have been blacklisted. Nowhere did I get hostile or abusive. They like I said earlier about a lot of ther people that post here ONLY WANT TO HEAR FROM LIBERALS. Here is a copy of the exchange that got me BLACKLISTED..... now this person is one of the Icons here at Philly Future..... Is this the so called willingness to here all points of view? I guess I will be Banned here next. I am a conservative and a republican I have lived here for almost 50yrs in Philly I know that the majority will disagree with my points of view. That is to be expected. What I always find amusing is the lefts tendancy to not try to debate with someone they disagree with but to silence thier point of view instead. So much for Tolorance and Free Speach huh guys. In the Piece intitled Michael Marcavage — Philadelphia's Own Version of Fred Phelps
The City Troll wrote:
No Bobby Kennedy Jr said it first. He said it was gods wrath against Haley Barbor for writing a letter to convince him not to support Kyoto. So is the little Kennedy a wacked out rightwing Christian also?
09/02/05 22:16:08 The City Troll wrote:
If your going to hold that light of critisism up hold it brightly so that it shines on the kooks of both sides. Or is it because Kennedy says its gods punishment to conservatives it's OK
09/02/05 22:19:32 SpinDentist wrote:
City Troll, when we post things around here we show citations. Please show the same courtesy. Idiot.
09/02/05 22:30:52 Johnny Zucchini wrote:
The City Troll has a problem with reading comprehension.
09/02/05 22:42:41 The City Troll wrote:
Katrina and Kyoto: Robert Kennedy Using Tragedy for Political PosturingRobert Kennedy Jr.Breathtaking. Robert Kennedy, Jr. writes a post in today's HuffPo entitled “For They That Sow the Wind, Shall Reap the Whirlwind.”Incredible. There are bodies floating in the water in New Orleans and Kennedy rushes to the microphones to blame Katrina on the Bush Administration — because we didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol:Now we are all learning what it's like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which [Haley] Barbour [then-head of the RNC] and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children.I guess he must have missed yesterday's New York Times which reported no link between global warming and hurricanes.What? If you're a Kennedy you don't have to get your facts right?* * *Hat tip to and See Jim Glassman's outstanding Tech Central Station column today for more on the decrease in the number and force of hurricanes. . .It was in the Huffington Post IDIOT or do want a ticket (citation) for speeding to look for things on one side but not the other
09/02/05 22:52:15 The City Troll wrote:
Here is the link to bobby's story http://www.huffingtonpost.c...
09/02/05 22:55:09 The City Troll wrote:
If you can't get the link to work just type in Bobby Kennedy and For They That Sow the Wind, Shall Reap the Whirlwind.”And it will take you to the first one who said the storm was Gods Retribution
09/02/05 22:59:21 The City Troll wrote:
and just in case you don't know how to do a google search Here is Bobbys article“For They That Sow the Wind, Shall Reap the Whirlwind.”As Hurricane Katrina dismantles Mississippi’s Gulf Coast, it’s worth recalling the central role that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour played in derailing the Kyoto Protocol and kiboshing President Bush’s iron-clad campaign promise to regulate CO2.In March of 2001, just two days after EPA Administrator Christie Todd Whitman’s strong statement affirming Bush’s CO2 promise former RNC Chief Barbour responded with an urgent memo to the White House.Barbour, who had served as RNC Chair and Bush campaign strategist, was now representing the president’s major donors from the fossil fuel industry who had enlisted him to map a Bush energy policy that wouldbe friendly to their interests. His credentials ensured the new administration’s attention.The document, titled “Bush-Cheney Energy Policy & CO2,” was addressed to Vice President Cheney, whose energy task force was then gearing up, and to several high-ranking officials with strong connections to energy and automotive concerns keenly interested in the carbon dioxide issue, including Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, Interior Secretary Gale Norton, Commerce Secretary Don Evans, White House chief of staff Andy Card and legislative liaison Nick Calio. Barbour pointedly omitted the names of Whitman and Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, both of whom were on record supporting CO2 caps. Barbour’s memo chided these administration insiders for trying to address global warming which Barbour dismissed as a radical fringe issue.“A moment of truth is arriving,” Barbour wrote, “in the form of a decision whether this Administration’s policy will be to regulate and/or tax CO2 as a pollutant. The question is whether environmental policy still prevails over energy policy with Bush-Cheney, as it did with Clinton-Gore.” He derided the idea of regulating CO2 as “eco-extremism,” and chided them for allowing environmental concerns to “trump good energy policy, which the country has lacked for eight years.”The memo had impact. “It was terse and highly effective, written for people without much time by a person who controls the purse strings for the Republican Party,” said John Walke, a high-ranking air quality official in the Clinton administration.On March 13, Bush reversed his previous position, announcing he would not back a CO2 restriction using the language and rationale provided by Barbour. Echoing Barbour’s memo, Bush said he opposed mandatory CO2 caps, due to “the incomplete state of scientific knowledge” about global climate change.Well, the science is clear. This month, a study published in the journal Nature by a renowned MIT climatologist linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming.Now we are all learning what it’s like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which Barbour and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children.In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that hurricanes were likely to hit communities that offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast. [UPDATE: Alas, the reprieve for New Orleans was only temporary. But Haley Barbour still has much to answer for.]
09/02/05 23:10:58 SpinDentist wrote:
Oh, I know how to do a google search. I saw that article word for word in several questionable sources. Odd that you haven't linked one single source other than Robert Kennedy Junior's article in Huffington Post's blog, which reflects an opinion shared by many, many people around the world. Your claim of him politicizing the story shows up in places like Chronwatch, a source that has published many stories, such as the supposed mistress of John Kerry, that proved to be utterly false. But Chronwatch is not a credible source not because they made a mistakle, but because when they found they had published a complete and utter lie, they never, not one single time, retracted their statement. No. find a real source, kid.
09/02/05 23:19:25 The City Troll wrote:
Those are his own words you can't deny what he is saying. Even if you agree, he is still saying its gods reveng on the right.You make fun of a loon on the right who says its Gods reveng for SIN but you trumpet agreement for a loony on the left who says its Gods revenge for Globall Warming. I am simply Ilustrating that #1 your post is a lie the nut case you quote wasn't the first to say it was gods revenge and #2 you provide the laughable same loony thinking as what you ridicule above by saying many agree with Kennedy.
09/03/05 00:09:19 The City Troll wrote:
And I did post it from a questionable source your right. ANYTHING on the Huffington Post is questionable. LOL
09/03/05 00:11:44 The City Troll wrote:
Please explain why it is odd. I post the original article and your disapointed that I posted it from a website that touted it as a great article. Whats the matter did I upset you because my source is a liberal icon to you? You say qustionable source and then throw in chronwatch. I posted Kennedy's article from its source the Huffington Post word for word. So whats questionable except bobby's sanity?
09/03/05 00:30:50 The City Troll wrote:
Ah spindentist so much for standing your ground in intelligent debate pointing out that there are loonies on both sides of the issue, but since you state that many many people agree with kennedy I guess in your mind he is right. Its gods just punishment for globall warming.
09/03/05 09:59:07
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No Bobby Kennedy Jr said it first. He said it was gods wrath against Haley Barbor for writing a letter to convince him not to support Kyoto. So is the little Kennedy a wacked out rightwing Christian also?
09/02/05 22:16:08 The City Troll wrote:
If your going to hold that light of critisism up hold it brightly so that it shines on the kooks of both sides. Or is it because Kennedy says its gods punishment to conservatives it's OK
09/02/05 22:19:32 SpinDentist wrote:
City Troll, when we post things around here we show citations. Please show the same courtesy. Idiot.
09/02/05 22:30:52 Johnny Zucchini wrote:
The City Troll has a problem with reading comprehension.
09/02/05 22:42:41 The City Troll wrote:
Katrina and Kyoto: Robert Kennedy Using Tragedy for Political PosturingRobert Kennedy Jr.Breathtaking. Robert Kennedy, Jr. writes a post in today's HuffPo entitled “For They That Sow the Wind, Shall Reap the Whirlwind.”Incredible. There are bodies floating in the water in New Orleans and Kennedy rushes to the microphones to blame Katrina on the Bush Administration — because we didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol:Now we are all learning what it's like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which [Haley] Barbour [then-head of the RNC] and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children.I guess he must have missed yesterday's New York Times which reported no link between global warming and hurricanes.What? If you're a Kennedy you don't have to get your facts right?* * *Hat tip to and See Jim Glassman's outstanding Tech Central Station column today for more on the decrease in the number and force of hurricanes. . .It was in the Huffington Post IDIOT or do want a ticket (citation) for speeding to look for things on one side but not the other
09/02/05 22:52:15 The City Troll wrote:
Here is the link to bobby's story http://www.huffingtonpost.c...
09/02/05 22:55:09 The City Troll wrote:
If you can't get the link to work just type in Bobby Kennedy and For They That Sow the Wind, Shall Reap the Whirlwind.”And it will take you to the first one who said the storm was Gods Retribution
09/02/05 22:59:21 The City Troll wrote:
and just in case you don't know how to do a google search Here is Bobbys article“For They That Sow the Wind, Shall Reap the Whirlwind.”As Hurricane Katrina dismantles Mississippi’s Gulf Coast, it’s worth recalling the central role that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour played in derailing the Kyoto Protocol and kiboshing President Bush’s iron-clad campaign promise to regulate CO2.In March of 2001, just two days after EPA Administrator Christie Todd Whitman’s strong statement affirming Bush’s CO2 promise former RNC Chief Barbour responded with an urgent memo to the White House.Barbour, who had served as RNC Chair and Bush campaign strategist, was now representing the president’s major donors from the fossil fuel industry who had enlisted him to map a Bush energy policy that wouldbe friendly to their interests. His credentials ensured the new administration’s attention.The document, titled “Bush-Cheney Energy Policy & CO2,” was addressed to Vice President Cheney, whose energy task force was then gearing up, and to several high-ranking officials with strong connections to energy and automotive concerns keenly interested in the carbon dioxide issue, including Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, Interior Secretary Gale Norton, Commerce Secretary Don Evans, White House chief of staff Andy Card and legislative liaison Nick Calio. Barbour pointedly omitted the names of Whitman and Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, both of whom were on record supporting CO2 caps. Barbour’s memo chided these administration insiders for trying to address global warming which Barbour dismissed as a radical fringe issue.“A moment of truth is arriving,” Barbour wrote, “in the form of a decision whether this Administration’s policy will be to regulate and/or tax CO2 as a pollutant. The question is whether environmental policy still prevails over energy policy with Bush-Cheney, as it did with Clinton-Gore.” He derided the idea of regulating CO2 as “eco-extremism,” and chided them for allowing environmental concerns to “trump good energy policy, which the country has lacked for eight years.”The memo had impact. “It was terse and highly effective, written for people without much time by a person who controls the purse strings for the Republican Party,” said John Walke, a high-ranking air quality official in the Clinton administration.On March 13, Bush reversed his previous position, announcing he would not back a CO2 restriction using the language and rationale provided by Barbour. Echoing Barbour’s memo, Bush said he opposed mandatory CO2 caps, due to “the incomplete state of scientific knowledge” about global climate change.Well, the science is clear. This month, a study published in the journal Nature by a renowned MIT climatologist linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming.Now we are all learning what it’s like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which Barbour and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children.In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that hurricanes were likely to hit communities that offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast. [UPDATE: Alas, the reprieve for New Orleans was only temporary. But Haley Barbour still has much to answer for.]
09/02/05 23:10:58 SpinDentist wrote:
Oh, I know how to do a google search. I saw that article word for word in several questionable sources. Odd that you haven't linked one single source other than Robert Kennedy Junior's article in Huffington Post's blog, which reflects an opinion shared by many, many people around the world. Your claim of him politicizing the story shows up in places like Chronwatch, a source that has published many stories, such as the supposed mistress of John Kerry, that proved to be utterly false. But Chronwatch is not a credible source not because they made a mistakle, but because when they found they had published a complete and utter lie, they never, not one single time, retracted their statement. No. find a real source, kid.
09/02/05 23:19:25 The City Troll wrote:
Those are his own words you can't deny what he is saying. Even if you agree, he is still saying its gods reveng on the right.You make fun of a loon on the right who says its Gods reveng for SIN but you trumpet agreement for a loony on the left who says its Gods revenge for Globall Warming. I am simply Ilustrating that #1 your post is a lie the nut case you quote wasn't the first to say it was gods revenge and #2 you provide the laughable same loony thinking as what you ridicule above by saying many agree with Kennedy.
09/03/05 00:09:19 The City Troll wrote:
And I did post it from a questionable source your right. ANYTHING on the Huffington Post is questionable. LOL
09/03/05 00:11:44 The City Troll wrote:
Please explain why it is odd. I post the original article and your disapointed that I posted it from a website that touted it as a great article. Whats the matter did I upset you because my source is a liberal icon to you? You say qustionable source and then throw in chronwatch. I posted Kennedy's article from its source the Huffington Post word for word. So whats questionable except bobby's sanity?
09/03/05 00:30:50 The City Troll wrote:
Ah spindentist so much for standing your ground in intelligent debate pointing out that there are loonies on both sides of the issue, but since you state that many many people agree with kennedy I guess in your mind he is right. Its gods just punishment for globall warming.
09/03/05 09:59:07
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Saturday, September 03, 2005
A Great Video
Now how is this bush's fault
http://www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart
http://www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart
Friday, September 02, 2005
Another Wholesome UN official
FBI Arrests Russian U.N. Official
Sep 2, 3:01 AM (ET)By PAT MILTON
NEW YORK (AP) - The chair of a powerful United Nations budget committee was arrested by the FBI Thursday on money laundering charges, a federal law enforcement official said.
Vadim Kouznetsov, who heads the General Assembly panel that oversees the U.N. budget, was the second Russian U.N. official to be arrested by the FBI for alleged money laundering in recent weeks.
The charges were contained in a sealed grand jury indictment. Kouznetsov was to be arraigned Friday in Manhattan Federal Court.
The official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because the indictment is sealed, said the charges involve money laundering and are only remotely connected to the U.N. oil-for-food program in Iraq that is the target of numerous corruption investigations.
On Aug. 8, Alexander Yakovlev, a Russian who worked in the U.N. procurement office, was arrested for allegedly soliciting a bribe from a company seeking an oil-for-food contract. He also was charged with wire fraud and money laundering for allegedly accepting nearly $1 million in bribes from U.N. contractors in work outside the oil-for-food program.
Yakovlev pleaded guilty to money laundering, wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud in part for soliciting bribes from U.N. contractors. He could face up to 20 years in prison for each charges, officials say.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan had waived Yakovlev's immunity at the request of the U.S. Attorney. It wasn't immediately known if he waived immunity for Kouznetsov as well.
The oil-for-food program was launched in December 1996 to help ordinary Iraqis cope with U.N. sanctions imposed after Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. It allowed Saddam's regime to sell oil as long as the proceeds went to buy humanitarian goods or pay war reparations. Saddam allegedly sought to curry favor by giving former government officials and others vouchers for Iraqi oil that could then be resold for profit.
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Associated Press Writer Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this report.
Sep 2, 3:01 AM (ET)By PAT MILTON
NEW YORK (AP) - The chair of a powerful United Nations budget committee was arrested by the FBI Thursday on money laundering charges, a federal law enforcement official said.
Vadim Kouznetsov, who heads the General Assembly panel that oversees the U.N. budget, was the second Russian U.N. official to be arrested by the FBI for alleged money laundering in recent weeks.
The charges were contained in a sealed grand jury indictment. Kouznetsov was to be arraigned Friday in Manhattan Federal Court.
The official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because the indictment is sealed, said the charges involve money laundering and are only remotely connected to the U.N. oil-for-food program in Iraq that is the target of numerous corruption investigations.
On Aug. 8, Alexander Yakovlev, a Russian who worked in the U.N. procurement office, was arrested for allegedly soliciting a bribe from a company seeking an oil-for-food contract. He also was charged with wire fraud and money laundering for allegedly accepting nearly $1 million in bribes from U.N. contractors in work outside the oil-for-food program.
Yakovlev pleaded guilty to money laundering, wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud in part for soliciting bribes from U.N. contractors. He could face up to 20 years in prison for each charges, officials say.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan had waived Yakovlev's immunity at the request of the U.S. Attorney. It wasn't immediately known if he waived immunity for Kouznetsov as well.
The oil-for-food program was launched in December 1996 to help ordinary Iraqis cope with U.N. sanctions imposed after Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. It allowed Saddam's regime to sell oil as long as the proceeds went to buy humanitarian goods or pay war reparations. Saddam allegedly sought to curry favor by giving former government officials and others vouchers for Iraqi oil that could then be resold for profit.
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Associated Press Writer Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this report.
Another great one from Horowitz
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19322 click the link to goto Symposium: The Future of Treason another really good read if you have the time.
The Culling of The Herd
Watching the scenes being broadcast from New Orleans I can't help but be angered and amused by what I see.
I was watching a woman scream into the camera how it was everyone but her own selfs fault that she was not getting help. Before the Hurricane everyone was told to evacuate. The only groups that should have been left in the city were the people at the hospitals and the stadium.
Instead a large comminity decided to make the choice to stay of their own volition. No one refused to give help to anyone that wanted to leave. No one decided that if you live in this section or that section we won't help you. These people chose to stay now they want to blame others for their own stupidity. They were told if they stayed help would not be able to reach them for days if at all. Even when help came in the form of people in boats they were shot at. These people chose to cull themselves from the herd of humanity. They jumped over the cliff and are now shocked and angered that they are dying from the consequences of thier own choice.
I was watching a woman scream into the camera how it was everyone but her own selfs fault that she was not getting help. Before the Hurricane everyone was told to evacuate. The only groups that should have been left in the city were the people at the hospitals and the stadium.
Instead a large comminity decided to make the choice to stay of their own volition. No one refused to give help to anyone that wanted to leave. No one decided that if you live in this section or that section we won't help you. These people chose to stay now they want to blame others for their own stupidity. They were told if they stayed help would not be able to reach them for days if at all. Even when help came in the form of people in boats they were shot at. These people chose to cull themselves from the herd of humanity. They jumped over the cliff and are now shocked and angered that they are dying from the consequences of thier own choice.
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